[wg/audio] Charter feasibility

[Pomax]

• The charter end date as noted on https://www.w3.org/2022/02/audio-2022.html is June 14, 2024.
• The web audio work it oversees has an expected completion of Q4 2025
• The web midi work it oversees has as expected completion of Q3 2024

Neither of those can be achieved before the charter end, can the charter document be updated to clarify this discrepancy and what the plan is for web audio and web midi when the charter ends?

[svgeesus]

can the charter document be updated to clarify this discrepanc

There is no discrepancy. Those are the best estimates of when the work will be done.

Neither of those can be achieved before the charter end

Correct.

what the plan is for web audio and web midi when the charter ends?

Make a new charter. See charter history

[Pomax]

There is no discrepancy. Those are the best estimates of when the work will be done.

those are not mutually exclusive. The best estimates currently outlive the charter, so at the very least link to that charter history in the document with a mention that a new charter will be made. Because as normal as this may seem to folks who are in the W3C, to the people who've been waiting for over a decade for this to finally "officially be done and landed" who know nothing about W3C procedures, this looks like just another step in another decade of "this will never finish", no matter how much hard work a lot of people have put into getting us where we are today.

[chaals]

If we think it is worth finishing the work, can we please recharter the group to make it clear that's the plan?

The charter history mentioned shows that the group has had a charter that was apparently reviewed and agreed by the AC for 7 3/4 year of the 12 1/2 years it has been operating. That's a pretty big discrepancy.

If the W3C membership is meant to provide a mandate for a group that uses W3C resources to do work then from a member's perspective it seems like that should be treated as meaningful.

[plehegar]

If we think it is worth finishing the work, can we please recharter the group to make it clear that's the plan?

The Group is chartered until 24 June 2024. What's to recharter?

The charter history mentioned shows that the group has had a charter that was apparently reviewed and agreed by the AC for 7 3/4 year of the 12 1/2 years it has been operating. That's a pretty big discrepancy.

charter history may provide some explanation.

[chaals]

If we think it is worth finishing the work, can we please recharter the group to make it clear that's the plan?

The Group is chartered until 24 June 2024. What's to recharter?

The Group. We expect it to stop before we expect it to be able to finish what it is doing. Why not recharter it now with enough time to do that?

If we don't yet trust them enough to say that we want them to finish the work, it makes sense to leave the charter as is. Otherwise, can we ask the AC to approve the group existing long enough to finish the work they are doing, or decide that we're not interested (in which case, why not stop the group now instead of in a year)?

[plehegar]

The Group is chartered until 24 June 2024. What's to recharter?

The Group. We expect it to stop before we expect it to be able to finish what it is doing. Why not recharter it now with enough time to do that?

If we don't yet trust them enough to say that we want them to finish the work, it makes sense to leave the charter as is. Otherwise, can we ask the AC to approve the group existing long enough to finish the work they are doing, or decide that we're not interested (in which case, why not stop the group now instead of in a year)?

At the moment, we don't allow ourselves to have charters that are longer than 2 years, following a desire from the AC to review group statuses every 2 years. The assumption is that this type of rechartering should be easy to do. In practice, we still require horizontal review of the charter however. Any update to the Group schedule should be documented on the Group homepage in the meantime.